Talk:Contest: Haunted house - Revision history

Gorlock at 18:20, 15 November 2020

2020-11-15T18:20:11Z

Gorlock: /* Tie-breaker */

2020-11-15T18:19:32Z

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SX: /* Tie-breaker */

2020-11-15T18:17:07Z

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SX: /* Tie-breaker */

2020-11-15T17:49:58Z

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SX: Technical answers

2020-11-15T17:44:10Z

Technical answers

Gorlock: result weighting in case of ties

2020-11-15T16:48:29Z

result weighting in case of ties

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== Tie-breaker ==

"That resulted in tie with simple vote counts, some kind of weighted calculation was planned for this situation."

"Here we have votes log10(xp) weighted ..."

My 2 cents -

* Is XP a good measure of anything in that respect?
* But when is XP measured? At the time of submission (hardly doable I guess, but that could be the most fair), at the end of the event, or at the end of the voting period after the event ended? Or later, when result are assumed at an undetermined time? Just an example I don't recollect the number, but in that period of time I might have done around 50k XP overall... And I'm not the quickest in that domain ;-)
* Not sure how the XP-based weighting is done here (without knowing which values were used and when), but does it mean that one with more XP would be favored? Shouldn't we favor the player with less XP = So that a newcomer arriving to a tie with an experienced player would get the benefit for his effort: he probably had less resources and still achieved something comparable to someone with possibly more stock and options?

[[User:Gorlock|Gorlock]] ([[User talk:Gorlock|talk]]) 16:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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      So it favors votes from established players, which is not necessarily wrong.
      They have long invested on the server after all, so why not (despite looking like some kind of gerontocracy, lol :D).
      Just thinking, maybe I'm wrong, but "build count" score and/or "craft count"), since we have these on the highscore table, could possibly be better than raw XP incl. "dig count" and "inflicted damages" etc. It could even address sock-puppets in an unexpected way actually: doing 1000 XP or whatever other lower limit is set, by just digging and creating big holes, seems doable in a short time frame, while placing blocks is less obvious: At least one could refill the holes they dug, or build a small house; anyhow, it's still better probably that just digging sand beaches to level up ;) Not to say this is likely to happen, there was very few votes here, so my remark is quite theoretical.
 [[User:Gorlock|Gorlock]] ([[User talk:Gorlock|talk]]) 16:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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		+	Thanks for the very neat answer.
		+	I didn't suspect at all when reading it that this would be based on _voters_ XP - And it is indeed an interesting way of addressing the concern.
		+	So it favors votes from established players, which is not necessarily wrong.
		+	They have long invested on the server after all, so why not (despite looking like some kind of gerontocracy, lol :D).
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		+	Just thinking, maybe I'm wrong, but "build count" score and/or "craft count"), since we have these on the highscore table, could possibly be better than raw XP incl. "dig count" and "inflicted damages" etc. It could even address sock-puppets in an unexpected way actually: doing 1000 XP or whatever other lower limit is set, by just digging and creating big holes, seems doable in a short time frame, while placing blocks is less obvious: At least one could refill the holes they dug, or build a small house; anyhow, it's still better probably that just digging sand beaches to level up ;) Not to say this is likely to happen, there was very few votes here, so my remark is quite theoretical.

	[[User:Gorlock\|Gorlock]] ([[User talk:Gorlock\|talk]]) 16:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)		[[User:Gorlock\|Gorlock]] ([[User talk:Gorlock\|talk]]) 16:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Is XP a good measure of anything in that respect?
-   It might not be best way to do it but currently it is best *usable* general indicator about how much player has actually played and running XP through log10 also makes XP usable and mostly fair, 2 low XP votes can easily overcome 1 high XP vote.
+   It might not be best way to do it but currently it is best *usable* general indicator about how well established player is and running XP through log10 also makes XP mostly fair, 2 low XP votes can easily overcome 1 high XP vote.
    However there could also be XP cap to further reduce impact of very high XP votes, for example 100k cap could be used. 100k XP is pretty much well established player account.

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    --[[User:SX|SX]] ([[User talk:SX|talk]]) 17:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[[User:SX|SX]]
 * Not sure how the XP-based weighting is done here (without knowing which values were used and when), but does it mean that one with more XP would be favored? Shouldn't we favor the player with less XP = So that a newcomer arriving to a tie with an experienced player would get the benefit for his effort: he probably had less resources and still achieved something comparable to someone with possibly more stock and options?
-   Let's go with lua example, XP based weighting was done like this:
+   Let's go with lua example, XP based weighting was done like this: assuming voters = { gorlock = 98765, swissalps = 9345678 }
-   for voter_name, voter_xp in pairs(voter_xp) do score = score + math.log10(voter_xp) end
+   for voter_name, voter_xp in pairs(voters) do score = score + math.log10(voter_xp) end
-   This does favor newcomers by reducing impact of very high XP players.
+   This does favor newcomers by reducing impact of very high XP players. gorlock vote would be 4.994603068070779 and swissalps vote would be 6.970610813577633.
    Also XP weighting is by voters XP not by contestant XP so 1000000 XP contestant does not have any advantage over 0 XP contestant.
    Voter XP affects final results: 1000000 XP player adds +6 to score, 100000 XP adds +5 to score, 10000 XP adds +4 to score, 1000 XP add +3 to score, 100 XP adds +1 to score.